NTE Podcast: Protecting the Human Immune System w/ Dr Lisa Nagy

This is the most important podcast we’ve ever done!

While the world deals with the COVID-19 virus, we asked our friend Dr. Lisa Nagy from the Environmental Health Center of Martha’s Vineyard to come on the show to talk about her experiences and recommendations for protecting ourselves during this pandemic. What we got from Dr Nagy was a massive checklist for us all to be following, complete with links, product names…folks, I’m still stunned at how much information she gave us all.




Protecting the Human Immune System with Dr Lisa Nagy


Andrew Pace: Welcome to the Non Toxic Environments podcast, my name is Andrew Pace. Every week, my cohost Jay Watts and I will discuss healthier home improvement ideas and options. Thank you for finding us, and please enjoy the show.

We’ve got a fantastic guest and topic today.

Jay Watts: We do, indeed, it’s a repeat performance. I want to thank everyone who’s listening to us, wherever you may be today. We’re so excited to have Dr. Lisa Nagy with us today, and of course the topic will be something that’s affecting all of us, the Coronavirus.

But first, I’d like to set the stage here, and tell you a little bit about Dr. Nagy. She’s the director of the Environmental Health Center in Martha’s Vineyard. That particular clinic that she runs there is modeled after Dr. William Rea’s world famous facility in Dallas, Texas, which is called the American Environmental Health Clinic. She’s also now president of the Preventative and Environmental Health Alliance, and this is a group focused on educating medical students, doctors, the American Medical Association, Congress, and the public. She assists patients to help them, nationwide. She’s actually got a great story about her own survival, and journey of discovery, in discovering and being involved with the field of environmental medicine.

Obviously, the fact that we’re dealing with the pandemic and it’s on everyone’s mind, we thought it’d be good for you to be back on our show, and actually talk a little bit about the ideas that you have around how everyone can deal with the pandemic in a personal way. Certainly, your experience suffering from exposure to chemical sensitivity and all of that will play into the discussion, but we just thought it would be a good idea for you to be a part of our show today, and share your wisdom, as you understand it going forward.

Andrew Pace: Before we get started here, Jay, something you brought up a few weeks ago on a show, and Dr. Nagy, I’m really looking forward to your response to this question. Jay says, “Dealing with this pandemic for the average person, is kind of like what it’s like to be chemically sensitive. Now, everybody knows what it’s like.”

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Yeah. It’s funny, as soon as I saw people wearing masks I thought, they’re entering my world. Because when I became chemically sensitive in 2001, I never heard chemical sensitivity, but I also never knew why somebody would be wearing a mask inside a store, because of the high formaldehyde or VOCs that would be bothering them, as opposed to being outside.

I had difficultly going into one of those home improvement stores, without saying any names, and I would become confused, and tired, and then need a wheelchair. My blood would go into my legs, it’s called dysautonomia, and my heart rate would go fast, and then I would need to sit down, or be in a wheelchair. I felt much better when I went outside into fresh air.

Being a Cornell Medical School trained traditional physician, I was really the stupidest person on Earth about figuring out why I would fall apart when I was in a store, but I would be better outside. Then, it turned out that since I lived in the Los Angeles area, a nice part of Los Angeles, further South, where the air quality wasn’t quite as bad as LA, I couldn’t tolerate Los Angeles, or San Diego because of the ozone being so high. I lived in a hotel on the water for a little while, and had a quick surgery, and then escaped to Martha’s Vineyard, and I never went back.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Every year I went back, to fly through LA, and get out, and maybe go around for a day, I had to wear a gas mask. I had to wear a respirator, because I couldn’t tolerate the pollution in LA. So, now I can tolerate the pollution anywhere. The moral of the story is you can get better, but I don’t want to live in a major city because I don’t want to die young. I still think I’m young.

Now, with the Coronavirus, I tried to tell people two, and three, and four weeks ago, about wearing a mask in grocery stores, and people who worked at the pharmacy, people who are dealing with the public, and everybody laughed at me. It’s funny that today is the day that the CDC may finally be changing policy to say, “wear a facial covering when you’re outside.” Do you know what I mean? There’s a level of denial in people who do not understand new concepts, that takes time for them to get by. That time, we didn’t have with Corona, and that’s why we’re in the position we’re in.

I don’t know if I should keep talking because I do have ideas, I wouldn’t say they’re political, about what happened in the United States to lead to the problem of not being able to test early, and determine the contacts, and then isolate people who had it. Now, we just have a full blown pandemic.

What’s happening in Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, these are very sad situations where each state is dependent upon the scientific knowledge, or comprehension of their Governor. People’s brains, their functionality, is determined often by their environmental exposure. So, when you have encephalopathy from exposure, and you’re in change of other people, then you can have a problem where you don’t do the best for the other people because you don’t believe it. You don’t believe that mold can hurt you, you don’t believe that Coronavirus can hurt you. This is the problem that we have now, is that we’ve put our trust in people who don’t really get science. I’m going to be a little controversial, here. Tony Fauci is a very nice and brilliant person. I did a tweet the other day about this, because I don’t usually go on Twitter very often.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: I met with Tony Fauci, I don’t know, 18 years ago, because I’m from Washington, DC. I went to a meeting, and I introduced myself, and I discussed with him. He did not believe chemical sensitivity was a real syndrome. He’s the infectious disease allergy guy at NIH. So now he’s 76, he’s trying to walk this tightrope every day on the television, with President Trump, and we’ve got a problem in that if he speaks up loudly, which maybe is not his predisposition, he will not be allowed to be on the television with Trump.

So, we want him to be able to present the information, and be in that inner circle, yet things are too slow. Between the two of them, it is just going too slowly, and therefore people aren’t able to get a hold of this, when they just have a couple of cases, and close things down. So, that’s one aspect of this, is that people who are in charge of making decisions often don’t grasp the concepts about whether its chemical sensitivity or Coronavirus, it’s really the same thing. Sometimes Dr. Rea would say it would take 10 or 20 years for things to change, and new information to trickle down to practitioners. But often, practitioners need to die, and new practitioners need to take their place.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: We’ve got a very dire situation. My push is that there are some basic supplements, and I’ll list them, and there are more, maybe if we want to do phase two, we could do another interview in a week or two, where I can get some more details on more supplements, as they come out, and what’s appropriate to boost the immune system, that everybody should be on, and that they can increase when they get sick.

I wanted to mention, I heard Bill Gates speak at the Medical Society, maybe three years ago, and other people that maybe are considered liberal, that were on the pandemic information side of this, it was possible to be much more mentally prepared in our government. It depends on who you put in government positions of power, that can make rapid decisions based on their previous education about things like pandemics, and infection in general.

This whole idea of wearing a respirator on planes, I’ve been bringing a respirator with me because I was chemically sensitive, and putting it under my seat for the last 17 years. I just say to the guy next to me, “I am a doctor, and I’m a little sensitive to jet fuel. If I smell it, I’m going to put a respirator on, but I’m totally fine.” You know, like don’t be bothered. I tell the flight attendant when I enter the plane, and everybody’s fine with it. All the flight attendants now know about chemical sensitivity, because of the Chinese uniforms that they had to wear, that were filled with formaldehyde. A lot of people in various walks of life have been knowing that they should be protecting themselves. But, to have flight attendants now wearing a mask, now they have maybe authorization to do it because of policy change that occurred today.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Supplementation for the immune system is pretty easy. We all tell patients about vitamin A, and that they should be on a certain amount of vitamin A, as long as they don’t have liver failure. Really, probably almost nobody listening to this podcast will have liver failure, but if you do, then don’t take vitamin A unless you talk to your physician. I’m not giving medical advice over the phone, I’m telling you about supplements that are available, over the counter, that you should research. Vitamin A, the one I like is made by Carlton, which I think they do fish oil, and vitamin A, and other things that are fat soluble. And, they come in 25,000 units and below.

Usually, in integrative medicine, you take one of those, every other day. Then, if you get sick, you take a high dose for five days, and it helps the epithelium of the respiratory tract, so it’s very helpful in virus. I don’t know, were you aware of that?

Andrew Pace: Yes. As a matter of fact, I just showed Jay right before we started this recording, that I’m taking 25,000 units of vitamin A, 10,000 units of vitamin D. I had heard that from another friend of mine, who is involved in alternative medicine, and she gave me that recommendation. Then, if you do start to feel symptoms, then you up it, based upon the symptoms.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Right. So, if you get sick, what they say is if you’re an adult of roughly over 100 pounds, that you would take 125,000 units, so that would be five capsules, and that would be for five days.

Andrew Pace: Okay.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: So, that’s five capsules, five times, for five days, and then stop. Or, go back to your usual. The dosing for vitamin D, usually I get it from a company that only sells to doctors, it’s 50,000. So, when a regular person buys it at the store, or at Vitacost.com, which is where I suggest you get supplements inexpensively, or you can use EmersonEcologics.com, or you can get it from your practitioner, if you want. What you can do is take 50,000, twice a month.

Most people, that’s a dose every other Sunday, that won’t hurt them even if they don’t know their level. Normally, we’d get a blood level for vitamin D, and if it’s less than 30, that’s considered low in traditional medicine. We would like it 60 to 100, in a sick patient, a patient whose chemically sensitive, or whatever.

If you tolerate 50,000 at one dose, you could just take it on Sunday because the fat soluble vitamins, which I’ll list, they don’t need to be taken every day because you store them. Whereas the water soluble vitamins, you urinate out. The water soluble ones that you would take every day would be B and C. Whereas the fat soluble ones are A, D, E, K, and then things like coenzyme Q10, fish oil, flax oil, those are all fat soluble.

I tell people this all through data, let’s say, about fish oil … I tell people to take the fish oil, like a Chinese tablespoon’s worth, on Saturday. Or, two of them. And, flax oil on Sunday. So, they don’t have to take what they may think is not tasty, fish oil, every day, they can take it once a week and then they don’t have to worry about it the rest of the week, they can take other supplements that, maybe they need to, because they’re water soluble. Does that make sense?

Andrew Pace: Perfect sense. I have to say this. Jay, see this is why Dr. Nagy has been requested to come back on our show.

Jay Watts: Exactly right.

Andrew Pace: Just an absolute wealth of knowledge. When it comes to taking these supplements Dr., everybody asks should I take it with food, without food, on an empty stomach, what is your recommendation?

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Well, the fat soluble ones, they say to have with fat. So, if you’re taking your coenzyme Q10 and your fish oil, maybe if you take them at the same time, or with a fatty meal, you’ll absorb more of your CoQ10.

But, when I do a blood level of CoQ10, let’s say it starts out at 300 or 400, and the person takes 600 milligrams … Oh, by the way, CoQ10 is a good thing to take for energy, so let’s put that in the mix. Vitacost has great pricing. 600 milligrams of CoQ10, and can take one every other day, or one every day if you have fatigue, and two a day if you’re really sick, or have heart failure.

So, that’s a slam dunk, for the rest of your life. CoQ10 is 50 cents a pill, so it really matters where you buy it. And don’t buy 100 milligrams, because that’s a waste of money because they charge a lot for the small dose. Again, I give it to my dogs, and they only get it once a week. I only take it now once a week, I take six of them because I don’t really have time to bother with supplements as much as I should.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Now, the other things that are good for the immune system are zinc, and zinc makes you nauseous sometimes, so I like zinc orotate. I use the one from Professional Formulas, and maybe people can get that online, I’m not sure. They make 10 milligrams, and they say when you’re sick you can take a higher dose, of 50 milligrams. As long as you’re not nauseated, maybe take 10, 20, or 30 milligrams a day now. If you can take a regular zinc, you can, like zinc picolinate, but I tend to get nauseated with zinc so watch out for that.

People with low zinc, by the way, will have little teeny bumps on the outside of their arms. So, if you rub your arms and you’ve got fine bumps, you know you have low zinc, you don’t need a blood test. Then, you would take more, if that’s exciting for the public.

Andrew Pace: Oh, it’s just fantastic, those little tidbits are what just amaze me.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Well, medicine is fun.

Andrew Pace: It is, it is.

Jay Watts: I’m actually rubbing my arm, right now.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: I know, that’s why I said it.

Jay Watts: I just wanted to interject at this point, this is such fantastic stuff. After everything calms down here, in the next several months… When we’re through talking about dealing with the problem in its stages right now, once it all dies down, I’d like to hear what you have to say about how to maintain the supplement regimen, going forward? Obviously, we’re going to back off?

Dr. Lisa Nagy: I think you would stay on this regimen … Well, first of fall, Corona’s not going to go away, so you want to keep your immune system strong for the next year and a half, at least.

Jay Watts: Right, right.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: When I see people who are environmentally ill, I tell them, budget yourself, and be prepared to make up vitamin boxes, for at least the first year or two. Then, you can wean down. But, people who ask me what they can cut out after one week, it’s not a reality because they want to get better.

In order to make your liver handle chemicals better, and detoxify, and process them, and put them into the stool, and put things into the urine so you can excrete them, you need the building blocks, the machinery for detoxification. So, that includes things like glutathione, or building blocks which are glutamine, glycine, and cysteine, and we call that NAC. So, if you have to pick something to take, it’s NAC. 600 milligrams, one at night. That’s a basic, inexpensive way to make glutathione, and to keep your detoxification pathways going. Just in case we want to give people one other supplement that’s good, without spending a lot of money, maybe, on glutathione.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: The downside is if you’re a yeasty person and you take too much NAC, you’re get yeast everywhere, you’ll get red plaque under armpits, or in your groin, or under your breast. So, you need to watch out for that, and when it happens you go, “Oh, I remember this lecture that Lisa Nagy gave, and it means I’m taking too much NAC.” I’ve been through all of these things with patients or myself, where you think you’re doing a great thing, and you take a ton of something, and then you get a side effect which, unless you’re going to the doctor, you may not realize what the side effect is. Now, we’re doing telemedicine more, so it’s less likely that you’re going to get examined, and things could be missed.

Should I continue with some more supplements?

Andrew Pace: Yeah, please do.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Okay, good. Yeah, there’s a punchline at the end, of a couple things that are really quite amazing, in terms of research for Coronavirus.

Okay, other things that people take would be good antivirals, that I’m not an expert in. That’s echinacea, ginseng. I’m trying to think, there are various … ashwagandha, which increase white cells. Some of these things will increase natural killer cell function, which I did not prepare a talk on how to increase natural killer cell function. But, that’s the key here. You’re trying to fight a virus, and you want your body to naturally be able to fight it off, and natural killer cells are part of that response.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: There is transfer factor slash colostrum, which is huge. Everybody should buy colostrum. Now, the more you spend on it, and the better the company is, the earlier the cow will give up the colostrum in the milk for the baby cow. So, if you get a cow that gave birth yesterday, and you collect the breast milk right away, it’ll have a lot of colostrum in it, and it’s immunoglobulin. Immunoglobulin is part of our immune response. So when you take IBG, which is immunoglobulin, from a cow and you eat it, then it makes you fight things off better, and it’s very good for allergy or virus, and it works immediately.

Everybody should have colostrum, all winter. Now, we’re going to have it currently, because of Corona, and you should take one or two a day. They’re usually 500 milligrams. You can then take three, six, or nine a day, when you get sick. I guarantee, whatever you have, whether it’s influenza or Corona, it will help to be less sick. I don’t know if it’s going to cure people, but it will definitely help to reduce symptoms. No doctor who does integrated medicine would argue with it.

Andrew Pace: Okay.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Okay, so there are Pure Encapsulations, there’s Research Nutritionals, which I think only sells to doctors, and there are places that sell it, as I mentioned probably Vitacost, EmersonEcologics.com. I think if people go to EmersonEcologics.com and put my name in, they get a little bit of a discount. If it doesn’t work, they can call my office and let me know.

The other major thing I should cover, for people who have IGG deficiency, will not fare well during this period. I have patients and personal friends who have low IGG, and they get blood, an infusion at the hospital, of IGG. It’s called intravenous gammaglobulin, and it’s $25,000 a month.

Andrew Pace: Wow.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: It’s covered by insurance, for people who get infections. Now, let’s just go on a tangent. There was a study of four patients, or maybe five, I believe in China. It’s on the NIH website, there are 232 published about research studies on Corona, which I’ve read the first 100. We could obviously do more on this. But, they gave intravenous gammaglobulin to four patients, and they all survived, period. So, we’re done with the subject of whether people should take colostrum, the answer is yes.

Number two, there are studies on intravenous vitamin C. Jeanne Drisko, from this country, I believe was part of designing the study. It went over to China, they had good response. I won’t give the details, but they had good response to intravenous vitamin C in patients with Corona, who were deathly ill. They are repeating that use of intravenous vitamin C on Long Island, with a physician whose name … Actually, I won’t mention his name. He’s doing intravenous vitamin C, and the New York Post is the article. That post was five days ago. He’s doing it four times a day, and the dosing was milligrams, and it should have been gram, so I don’t know exactly what he’s doing.

Basically, we usually use 15 grams a day, and in cancer we use 100 grams a day, so somewhere in that range depending on how sick you are. A lot of us have amassed a lot of vitamin C for our offices in case people get sick. What I would recommend is that you go to a practitioner whose in a zoot suit who does vitamin C, that would be helpful if you don’t need the hospital. Then, the last thing … Can I continue? I have a very exciting supplement I want to talk about.

Jay Watts: Yes.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: You’re with me, right?

Jay Watts: Yes.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Good, because I don’t want to do it twice.

There’s a supplement, and it’s called CDP-choline. So, that’s C like cat, D like dog, P like Paul, dash C-H-O-L-I-N-E. I spent $700 bucks on it yesterday, and bought a lot of bottles of it, so I obviously think that the webinar that I heard at Great Plains Laboratory, by Dr. William Shaw, was excellent. I’ll give you the medium version, as opposed to just saying, “Take this supplement,” I’ll tell you why.

Dr. Shaw is the only person that measures a urine test for a substance called PLA-2. PLA-2 is produced in the urine, when you have inflammation, it’s a detergent. It destroys tissues in the body, and it may be produced by Coronavirus, as in other Corona viruses that have been studied, and leads to destruction of tissue. Which would, in my mind, explain why you would get ARDS, which is adult respiratory distress syndrome, which is the disease you get in the lungs when you need intubation. Then, there’s only apparently 20% of people are surviving, who get the ARDS and need a ventilator.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: So, it’s not just getting a ventilator, it’s getting rid of the lung disease that helps you to get off the ventilator, and to live. So ideally, I think they should be giving them all CDP-choline, and Dr. Shaw wanted them to do a study, prophylactically, giving CDP-choline to police in New York City, to see if it lowers the conversion rate, or decreases the illness once they become positive, because I believe 700 police are positive with the Coronavirus in New York City. So, the idea is this PLA-2 is produced by other Corona viruses, and he shows good graphs about that it happens.

They also showed, kind of unrelated, but people with multiple sclerosis can have elevated Coronavirus titers. Previous Coronavirus, not this one, not COVID-19. So, the thought is if we give a supplement, CDP-choline, it lowers the PLA-2, thereby lowering the detergent effect on the lung. So, the connection is you want to lower the thing that’s causing the destruction, and we’re doing nothing for treatment right now. Traditional medicine is offering not treatment. Maybe they’re doing chloroquine and Zithromax, and that may work as well, but in addition they may want to combine these other treatments.

What I thought was interesting is that the PLA-2 is released when get a spider bite, or a rattlesnake bite, or other venomous creature that puts the venom into the skin. PLA-2 is one of these inflammation products that is causing tissue destruction, which we see in emergency medicine, when we obviously know that venomous bites are a problem.

So, CDP-choline is a supplement that people usually take for memory, 250 to 500 milligrams a day. If you get sick, the recommendation is about 2000 milligrams a day. On Amazon and on Vitacost, they’re both available. Until I gave this lecture, and then they’ll probably be sold out. My advice is get it, because it really can’t hurt to have it. Then, if you do get sick, you’ve got your colostrum, and you’ve got your CDP-choline. The CDP-choline I got was $22, so it’s not a big investment. I do have any stock in the company that makes CDP-choline.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: I think that there will be other pieces of information that will come out, with further research. But, what I would do … I didn’t even mention oral vitamin C, but if you don’t have access to intravenous vitamin C, and you start to get symptoms, then taking oral C, 1000 a day, or 2000. Or, 2000, two or three times a day. It depends on how much money you want to spend on vitamin C, and also how sick you are. If you have diarrhea when you take vitamin C, it’s too much. You would take enough, they call it bowel tolerance. You take 2000, then if you get diarrhea, then it’s too much, so then your dose is 1000. Then, you can decide if you’re going to take it every few hours, or exactly how often. But, there’s nothing to say that taking 10,000 of vitamin C a day is bad for you.

Then, the last thing is alkalization. With vitamin C, the gold standard for treatment in environmental medicine is tri-salts and C, we buy a powder. So, we take the vitamin C buffered, Allergy Research Group makes a very good one, and you mix it, like quarter teaspoon, half a teaspoon, or a whole teaspoon, with the same amount of tri-salts. I use the one by Biotech. That has salt, so if you have high blood pressure, you don’t really want to take tri-salts, you’ll want to take something that doesn’t have sodium. But, the idea is you take the C and the tri-salts, and you’re changing the pH of the cells of the body. Coronavirus likes it acidic, so if you make it alkalitic, then you’re helping to discourage the Coronavirus from taking hold. Things like magnesium, and vegetables, green leafy vegetables, will also alkalize you.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: So, you can eat green leafy vegetables until the cows come home, and you probably won’t change your pH that much, so you want to add maybe magnesium at night. We usually say magnesium glycinate. If people have diarrhea, and they can’t tolerate magnesium glycinate, then there’s magnesium orotate. All of this is interesting, only when you have a symptom.

What you can do is you can write everything down, and then when you go try a supplement, if you need to get a different supplement you know, oh I got diarrhea from either the C, the tri-salts, or the magnesium glycinate, and then you know what to do. Usually you’d be able to tell your doctor, but now times are tough, and you’re not going to have as much communication with a physician.

Anyway, I hope that was a good, quick summary. I don’t know what I’m leaving out, but there’s, I’m sure, something important.

Andrew Pace: Well, it was a fantastic summary. Of course, we will be typing out this, as well as audio because I think it’ll help for folks to be able to see the spelling of these things, and we’ll link all the resources that you gave us, Doctor.

In my opinion, my layperson opinion, I think what people should take out of this is while there is no CDC approved cure, there are ways to deal with this that are helping, and are proven to work. So, one of the biggest problems that this country, I think the entire world is facing with Coronavirus, is the stress that it’s causing in people, because of the fear of the unknown.

Jay Watts: Well yeah, and I think this is addressing the emotional component of this.

Andrew Pace: Correct.

Jay Watts: If you don’t have tools available to you, or you’re uncertain of the tools available to you, that’s going to be stressful. I couldn’t write fast enough, Dr. Nagy, and I’m glad Andy’s going to document all this because I was running out of paper. But, I think this is an empowerment, we talk about empowerment in our podcast. Now, we can get our listeners to empower themselves to take action that’s meaningful, where they’re in control. I think that’s one of the big things here, Andy said it, we feel like we’re out of control here, and this is really an empowering thing we’ve done today.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Great. If I can just close, I really think if you just sit around and feel helpless, then you get that thing called learned helplessness. That Seligman used to take the rats, and put them in water. Then they would struggle, and then they would give up swimming, and sink.

If you learn that you have nothing to offer your own salvation, basically taking care of yourself, then you will be depressed. There are so many things that you should be doing, right off the bat, take care of this, and then move on with your life to figure out how you’re going to earn a living, how you’re going to help other people, boom, boom, boom.

I’m going to list all the supplements. You’re going to take your vitamin A, your vitamin D, your zinc, your C, your colostrum, some sort of immune boosting herbal thing, astragalus, ashwagandha, that kind of stuff. And you’re going to maybe be taking, CDP-choline, which I would … I took my first pill last night, no side effect, so I would recommend that because, Jesus Christ, it can’t hurt. Sorry to swear. I think that people just need to be able to get that under their belt.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: And then what I would say is, if you’re hypo adrenal, and you have signs of low adrenal function, they’re on my website. It’s Lisa Nagy, N-A-G-Y,.com, it’s office video two. It’s five minutes, about low adrenal function. These people that are thin, and have low blood pressure, and they have fatigue in the morning, and at four o’clock they want to take a nap, and they get hypoglycemia, and they’re whiny, those people are going to die with influenza, and they’re definitely going to have problems with Coronavirus. They don’t have enough cortisol for their immune system to work well. If they don’t measure it in the saliva, which they can do on their own, with a lab called … I’m just trying to think of the lab. Access Lab, A-C-C-E-S-S. Four saliva tubes, I believe it’s $150 or less, you don’t need a doctor to order it.

If you see your graph of the four cortisols, which should be high in the morning, and then lower at midnight … If you see that your cortisol is low in the morning, then you’re going to seek out a physician who assess hormone function. That’s often difficult with endocrinologists, they’re a little conservative so you may want to go to an integrative doctor, and get yourself hydrocortisone. Because oral hydrocortisone will help you to have good immunity, and if you get sick, they’re giving it to people ICUs. So, they are giving it to people for sepsis, they’re giving it to people without Coronavirus. That’s another study, whether steroids help.

So, these are the things that your integrative doctor knows. The question is, how do we get it out to the public? Anything you can do, by typing up this list, and getting somebody to pick it up, these are basic things that everybody has a right to. Then, when they feel like they are taking care of business, they’re mood will be elevated, they won’t feel hopeless, and helpless.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: And then, they’ll be able to turn on the radio, and exercise at home, and go on with the next step, because they’re taking care, as best they can, of their health, and their friends’ and family’s health, by spreading this basic information. Okay, I’ll be quiet.

Andrew Pace: Doctor, that was absolutely fantastic. We will definitely be typing out all these show notes, so everybody can not only listen to it but pour through it with their eyes, too. Then, we’ll link to the locations that you gave us. We can’t thank you enough for coming on today, and we will definitely want to have you back in a few months and maybe get an update, to some of these studies that you were talking about. I think that people will be extremely interested to hear about that.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Yeah. I think if anybody ends up in the hospital, they should ask for intravenous vitamin C. Hospital formulary can definitely do it and get it, and if they have patients knowing to request it, then that will drive the hospitals to change policy, and quickly ramp up on that treatment.

Andrew Pace: Fabulous.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Which is cheap, it’s inexpensive.

Andrew Pace: Exactly. Jay, do you have any follow-up questions at all?

Jay Watts: No. I was just thinking, I’d like to get Dr. Nagy on a speaking tour. Basically, we’ll put you in a car, and we’ll drive from Martha’s Vineyard across the country, with a big speaker on top of the car. You can broadcast this stuff, as we drive through every hamlet in this country, to explain exactly what you talked about here. It was absolutely fantastic. I can’t tell you how … I’m grateful.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: You know, I hate to say this, but I just thought of one quick thing. Can I say something else?

Andrew Pace: Sure.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Henry Schein is a company that sells products, medical equipment and stuff to practices, and they have a test which I guess I’m getting next week, which sounds fabulous. I just want to tell you about it. It’s the antibody test, IGG and IGM. It is cheap, it’s not covered by insurance, and I can afford to offer it for free for people who don’t have any money. It’s 15 minutes, right there you get your result in your driveway.

Andrew Pace: Wow.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: If I test people, or they test themselves, they can get the result of whether they have immunity, presumably that they’re making antibodies because they already had the Coronavirus eight to 10 days earlier. That’s exciting.

Andrew Pace: That’s fantastic.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: The other company, it was Vibrant. They’re a laboratory that does really good antibodies to the nervous system. They’re offering as of, I think, next week, they’re doing finger prick, comparing it to serum. So, the finger prick may go out right away. I think their test is going to be $149, not covered by insurance. That will give you four antigens, and they’re doing IGG, IGM, and IGA. Again, to prove you already had exposure, you basically can go out in function in society fairly soon. I’m thinking, we all show our document.

Andrew Pace: For sure.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: If we’re out, to prove we can work. Then, you let people run businesses who are positive for the antibody, if that makes sense. Then, I’ll be doing nasal swab testing, with Quest, which I hear has a back log. At least I’m going to be able to test, I’m just going to get a zoot suit, and test people outside on the porch.

Andrew Pace: Excellent. I think that’s a really good place to finish this episode today, because ultimately we need to get the country back working again, so we have a country to come back to. What you’re talking about is really important for folks who may have already been exposed to it, have the antibodies for it. They’re the ones who can actually get this country back going again.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Right. That’s what I was thinking. It could be that you could get infected twice, but if it’s not the case, then those people would be able to go out front first.

Andrew Pace: Exactly. Dr. Nagy, I can’t thank you enough, we can’t thank you enough for coming in today, and spending your valuable time with us, and with all of our listeners. We will be, of course, letting everybody know how they can get in touch with you. I’m sure you’re busy these days, but folks, if you have questions, if you have concerns, we encourage you to reach out to us here on the show. If you are in need of Dr. Nagy’s services, we will be connecting you through the show notes. Thank you so much for coming in today, and sharing your knowledge with our listeners. We look forward to having you back on the show, soon.

Jay Watts: Absolutely right, thank you very much.

Dr. Lisa Nagy: Great, thanks for having me.

Andrew Pace: Well, I know my forte in this business is in building materials, healthy homes, helping people live, build, remodel a home. But folks, I believe that this episode might be one of the most important episodes that Jay and I have ever done. I can’t thank Dr. Nagy enough for the time she spent with us today. I really encourage you to listen to this show a few times, take the notes, promote the show to your family and friends, put it out on social media. Folks, we want to blow this show up, we want people to hear this, this information, this valuable information that Dr. Nagy put out.

As always, please feel free to go to iTunes and leave us a rating, a review, that’ll help others find this show. Reach out to me at Andy@DegreeOfGreen.com, leave us a SpeakPipe message on the website, DegreeOfGreen.com. Thank you for listening, we really appreciate having you as our loyal listeners. Tune in again next week for some fantastic information. Take care, folks.

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